Only about 2% of runners will finish a marathon in less than 180 minutes (3 hours) After four months of intense training, well at that time (20-25 miles/wk), I ran the Houston half-marathon on January 16th, 2005. It was so grueling, I swore that was it. I'll never do another half, let alone a full. Fortunately a running comrade pushed me to do a full marathon. Rededicated, I set a sub 4:00 hour goal for the full Houston marathon the following year. I trained harder than ever and crossed the finish in 3:59; I was hooked. I've now run 21 marathons and this site is my journal to join that exclusive club of those who finish a marathon in under 180 minutes (3 hours). |
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Monday, December 31, 2012
Weekly Recap
Ran slow six, but lots of incline.
Saturday
Worked in am, hit pavement after lunch for 5. Raphael cruised up behind me. I ran with him for half a mile and let him go. Walked / jogged 2 on mill afterwards.
Walked / jogged 4 more at night
Friday
Walked / jogged 5
Thursday..
Off
Wednesday.
Off
Tuesday.
Kingwood Marathon (3:46)
Monday
Off
Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Weekly Recap-May do Kingwood, May Not
Met Mike at 06:00 for 6.
Saturday
Off
Friday
Quick 5 in mill
Thursday..
Off
Wednesday.
Off
Tuesday.
Christmas-Off
Monday
Off-Traveling
Monday, December 17, 2012
Weekly Recap-1 Weeks Until Kingwood.
Off-Traveling
Saturday.
Off-Traveling
Friday
Off-Traveling
Thursday.
Off-Traveling. Did walk / jog 4 at hotel, but facilities not conducive to working out hard
Wednesday.
Came home ran fast 9. Was going to 17, but too hot and too much on my mind. Came in took a shower, packed and sat down 15 minutes. Then at 10:00, hit mill for another 5, walked one more.
Tuesday.
Off-long day
Monday
Jogged / walked 3 at 6:00 -6:30 am, before work. Just burning extra calories.
Tried to run 5 at night, 2 miles in, felt dizzy. Not enough calories. Walked another 2
Monday, December 10, 2012
Weekly Recap-2 Weeks Until Kingwood
Sunday.
Jogged 4, walked two more. On low calorie diet, makes training very difficult.
Saturday.
5k with girls in the am. 5 miles on mill at night.
Friday
Quick 8 after work. Walked one more
Thursday.
Off-Long work day
Wednesday.
Off-Long work day
Tuesday.
Off-Long work day
Monday
Hit pavement for six
Monday, December 3, 2012
Weekly Recap-No Races Scheduled But Looking For One
Sunday.
Easy two miles to Yorktown and back with girls, then a good 6 on the mile. Hit the pavement for five more after dinner. Nice and easy.
Saturday.
Worked 7:00am to 2:00. Then fast five, walked one more.
Friday
Long 13 hr day. Quick 7 after work
Thursday.
Off-Too much work
Wednesday.
Hit pavement for slow six after work.
Tuesday.
Solid 9 on mill
Monday
Off
Monday, November 26, 2012
Weekly Recap-No Races Scheduled But Looking For One
Sunday.
Met mike at 6:00am for easy 6. Bad humidity. Another 5 on mill at night
Saturday.
6 on mill, walked two more
Friday
Off
Thursday.
Off-Busy
Wednesday.
Off-Busy
Tuesday.
Long 13 hr day. Came home from work and hit pavement for quick 5
Monday
Long 14 hr day. Came home from work and hit pavement for quick 4
Saturday, November 24, 2012
San Antonio Marathon 2011
Monday, November 19, 2012
Weekly Recap-No Races Scheduled But Looking For One
Sunday.
Met Mike, Jeff, Sid, and Clay for 17 by doing 2 loops from Coffee Waves Alameda to Naval Base and back, through University Trail.
They left me behind pretty quickly. Wasn't pretty but I got in all 17.
Saturday.
Off
Friday
went out for 4-5, again saw Raphael running in opposite direction. Again I could only stay with him about 1.5 miles. I let him go and finished up to get in almost six.
Thursday.
4 mile turkey trot with girls in am. Walked / jogged another 9 throughout day.
Wednesday.
Quick 5, waked one more.
Tuesday.
Monday
Went our for a four miler right after work. At mile 1, I saw Raphael running the opposite direction. I did a 180 and ran with him for about a mile.
A little to warm and humid for me to keep up with a top runner like that, I let him go after about 1.5 miles. Had the weather been cold, I would done all 5 on his route.
Monday, November 12, 2012
Weekly Recap-No Races Scheduled But Looking For One
Fast 5 on mill. Walked jogged another. 6 at night.
Saturday.
Pretty good 15 with Huerta in the early morning. Nice cool weather.
Friday
Off
Thursday.
On road at 5:10 for two. Then met Mike and Jamie for four more easy
Wednesday.
Up early and jogged / walked a couple on mile. Just buring calories. Have to get weight down.
Jogged 3 on mill at night.
Tuesday.
Fast five on mill, walked one more.
Monday
Off
Thursday, November 8, 2012
Weekly Recap-San Antonio Race Week
Sunday.
I haven't run a race, of any kind, in seven months. Normally this time of year I'm running 60 miles a week. In the eight weeks prior to race day, I only averaged 20. My longest training run was only 12 miles.
Off
Friday
Off
Thursday.
Off
Wednesday.
Well, Von, one of groups top runners (sub 3 marathoner) is pacing a friend to a 3:35-3:40 at the S.A. marathon. Von told me I could join and it would be a good training run.
Well, weather looks bad. Forecast is for 83 with high humidity. But I do need the training. I guess I'll give it a go. Von is a good guy. If will be fun to run with him some.
Did five on mill last night in new shoes. Put on my 9 ounce racers. Man it's amazing how much going from 12 oz to 9 makes in terms of feeling light in your stride.
Tuesday.
Off-Don't think I'll do San Antonio Marathon. Out of shape and weather looks awful.
Monday
Friday, November 2, 2012
Too Fat
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Believe or not, I was about 172lb at the start of this race. It was that I had lost about 10lbs of water weight at his point. I nearly heat stroked.
Tuesday, October 30, 2012
Weekly Recap-2 Weeks Until San Antonio
Met Huerta for slow 12 in the early am.
Saturday
5k with children in am. Ran another 3 afterwards.
Friday
Slow 7 on the mill. Gotta lose 10 lbs fast. Extra weight just beats you up.
Thursday
Off-being lazy
Wednesday
Off-being lazy
Tuesday
Off-being lazy
Monday
Took Juliet to dance class. Jogged 6.5 around Country Club area while I waited.
Friday, October 26, 2012
Weekly Recap-3 Weeks Until San Antonio
Walked / jogged 8 at hotel in morning. Walked / jogged another four at home at night.
Saturday
Walked / jogged five in morning. 5k in SA with girls at night
Friday
Walked, mostly jogged, four before work (6:00 am). Walked / jogged another 5 at night
Thursday
Quick five on mill after work, walked on more.
Wednesday
Quick four on mill. Better than nothing.
Tuesday
Off-Busy with Work
Monday
Off-Busy with Work
Monday, October 15, 2012
Weekly Recap-4 Weeks Until San Antonio
Jogged 7 slow and low on mill, walked one more. Man, carrying around this extra 10 lbs makes it so much harder.
Saturday
Quick six in morning, back home. Walk / jogged another 5 in afternoon.
Friday
Off-still in Dubai
Thursday
Off-still in Dubai
Wednesday
Off-still in Dubai
Tuesday
Off-still in Dubai
Monday
Off-still in Dubai
Monday, October 8, 2012
Weekly Recap-5 Weeks Until San Antonio
Off-out of country
Saturday
Off-out of country
Friday
Couldn't sleep. Up at 5:00 am and walked / jogged six around saga park
Thursday
In Dubai-Walked / jogged 7 around Safa Park
Wednesday
Off-out of country
Tuesday
5 on mill. At halfway point, did a 1/2 percent incline increase every quarter mile. Good short workout.
Monday
Off-Busy with work
Monday, October 1, 2012
Weekly Recap-6 Weeks Until San Antonio
Solid 7 on mill.
Saturday
Ran 5k with girls in am.
Friday
Five, with some striding, but not very good. Out of shape
Walked 1 more
Thursday
Off-busy with work
Wednesday
Off-busy with work
Tuesday
Fast 8 on mill. My short game good, long runs suck. Probably need to slow down.
Monday
Off
Monday, September 24, 2012
Weekly Recap-7 Weeks Until San Antonio
Walked / jogged 5
Saturday
4 with bump in incline
Friday
Decent 5, walked one more. Man, I need to lose weight
Thursday
Off
Wednesday
Decent 6, walked one more. But still running like crap.
Tuesday
Off-Too busy
Monday
Off-Too busy.
Monday, September 17, 2012
Weekly Recap-8 Weeks Until San Antonio
Ran 5k with girls in the morning. Did easy 4 on mill in evening, walked on more.
Saturday
Slow 6.
Friday
Fast 4.
Thursday
Fast 6 with a bit of a nudge on on the incline.
Wednesday
Off
Tuesday
Fast 6, walked one more.
Monday
Fast 7, walked one more. Need to lose weight, hard to run smoothly
Thursday, September 13, 2012
Weekly Recap-9 Weeks Until San Antonio
Met guys downtown at 5:30am for 6. Was very humid, really ran like crap.
Saturday
Ran 5k with girls in the morning. Did 5 on mill in afternoon.
Friday
Off
Thursday
Walk / mostly jog 5. Just burning calories
Wednesday
Good 7 on the mill.
Tuesday
Off-Busy with work
Monday
Off-Busy with work.
Sunday, September 2, 2012
Weekly Recap-10 Weeks Until San Antonio
Went to Coffee Waves at 5:30 am, Jamie and Huerta no shows. New guy, Sam came along. We did 5 down to Dodridge nice and slow. One Back at CW, went out over Harbor Bridge, beautiful sunrise.
Ran some more on other side and saw Sid, Steve, and Kamie. Came back with them slow
12 in all.
Saturday
Off
Friday
Off-Got on mill, ran a mile and quit. Just to fatigued. Really need to get on a diet.
Well, autumn here soon, running will be fun again.
Thursday
Fast five with 5 X 400 moderate hills.
Wednesday
Off-Lots of work
Tuesday
jogged / walked 5 in the morning.
Monday
Off
Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Weekly Recap
Walked / jogged 7.5
Saturday.
Fast 5 on mill, walked two more
Friday
Off-Swamped with work. Traveling out of country
Thursday.
Off-Swamped with work. Traveling out of country
Wednesday.
Off-Swamped with work. Traveling out of country
Tuesday.
Off-Swamped with work. Traveling out of country
Monday
Off-Swamped with work. Traveling out of country
Sunday, August 26, 2012
Weekly Recap
Sunday
Off-Swamped with work. Traveling out of country
Saturday
Off-Swamped with work. Traveling out of country
Friday
Off-Swamped with work. Traveling out of country
Thursday
Off-Swamped with work
Wednesday
Off-Swamped with work
Tuesday
Off-Swamped with work
Monday
Off-Swamped with work
Monday, August 13, 2012
Weekly Recap
Walked, mostly ran 11 throughout day
Saturday
5 on mill, walked 1 more
Friday
Off
Thursday
Walked two with girls than ran fast 5 on mill. Good speed
Wednesday
Off
Tuesday
Fast 5 on mill. Walked one more. Road 4 miles on bike with girls.
Monday
Ran fast 5 on mill. Walked 2.5 more with girls.
Weekly Recap
Sunday
Fast six on the mill, walked 3 more. Walked / Jogged another 4 at night.
Saturday
Fast 7 on the mill.
Friday
Off
Thursday
Off
Wednesday
Slow, but decent 12 on mill. Could of cruised 15 with more time..
Tuesday
Off
Monday
Off
Monday, July 30, 2012
Week 11 in Summer Limbo-No Major Races Soon
Walked, mostly jogged 5.
Saturday
Fast 6. Walked 1 more
Friday
Fast 7 on mill
Thursday
Off- swamped with work
Wednesday
Off-Swamped with Work
Tuesday
Off-Swamped with Work
Monday
Off-Swamped with Work
Monday, July 23, 2012
Week 10 in Summer Limbo
Walked , mostly jogged 6.
Saturday
Walked , mostly jogged 6.
Friday
Fast 7 on mill in the morning. 8 morn at night, walked two more
Thursday
Off
Wednesday
Off-Swamped with work
Tuesday
Off-Swamped with work.
Monday
Walked / jogged 5 late at night. Couldn't breathe, soaked through
Friday, July 20, 2012
Run Report-Ten Minutes of Tranquility
"Sometimes I think that all you want to do on this trip is run!?" By the frustrated way she said it, I knew Jen meant it rhetorically, so I had the deep sagacity to be reticent rather than say what I was really thinking, You're damn right about that. See, those who are familiar with my yearly vacation Down Under know that for me, it's no vacation. It is mainly due to the fact that I hate children.
Okay, that's not exactly true; I don't hate children. It's just that I hate your children. My own children; they're exempted because of the direct blood line. I've also conditioned myself to somewhat tolerate the children who are the friends of my children, as long as I limit my exposure to them in intervals of ten minutes on followed by one hour off.
However, I can't stand snot-nosed, screaming, out of control children in general, especially when assembled in mass. And there's the crux of the problem. See, just about everyday of our annual three week trip follows this basic routine.
We load up the minivan with my two girls and then drive to one of my wife's cousins or friend's house. Then we squeeze their three or four children into the van. More often than not, one or two more children laden minivans have been prearranged to join us. From there, our little minvan convoy drives to the park, skating rink, beach, or any other place where children tend to congregate in the hundreds. And for the next four to six hours, all the mothers sit and talk about how wonderful their children are, the whole while completely ignoring the fact that their kids are whining, complaining, yelling, hitting, spilling, breaking, and snatching everything they come in contact with.
So when Jen said, "We're going to drive over to Jane's tomorrow and take all the kids to Balmoral Beach, where Michelle and her boys will also meet us," I replied, "Hey, the map says it's only 13 miles from here. How 'bout you take everyone in the van and I'll run down and meet you there?"
It wouldn't be a full pardon, but if I could get just two hours of solitude, I'd take it. After some resistance, Jen finally acquiesced on the condition that I get there by 10:00 a.m. sharp. So while everyone was still asleep in the predawn morning, I rolled out of bed and suited up.
By 6:45 I was on the road but the plan wasn't to run straight through as the course was less than a two hour jog. Instead, I hoped to spend about an hour ambulating through the inner city, a place I rarely get to see since its mostly children free.
I ran the first nine miles straight through and arrived at Saint Mary's Cathedral at 8:00. I took the opportunity to say a few prayers.
Exiting the east side of the church, I walked a hundred meters to the Sydney Botanical Gardens, 200 acres of paved walking / running paths surrounded by the most beautiful landscaped flora and fauna.
I could have spent the whole day there. But at 9:00, I knew that I better get running if I didn't want to be late to the beach and risk losing my running privileges altogether. As I exited the Gardens, I heard off to the west an irritating high pitch noise that wax and waned. As I ran down toward the wharf, I started to think the noise might be a massive flock of squawking seagulls.
Passing the wharf, I turned north and then saw what it was.
Yep, The Bieber is Down Under, and was performing live on the Sydney equivalent of Good Morning America. Circular Quay was inundated with hundreds of snot-nosed, screaming, out of control kids! Crap!—There's no escaping it.
I made a 180 and ran back to the Gardens. From there I followed the outer parameter of Circular Quay, and then finally made it to the Harbor Bridge.
I ran over and then jogged another 5k reaching the Beach at 10:06. However, when I looked around, Jen, Jane, Michelle, and all the kids weren't there. I took out my iPhone and saw an email from Jen, "We're running late, be there at 10:20."
I sat down on the beach and spent ten minutes listening to the soft, rhythmic, and tranquil waves brush up against the shore. It sure was nice while it lasted.
Monday, July 16, 2012
Week 9 in Summer Limbo-Down in Sydney
Saturday
Off -coming back to corpus
Friday
Ran into town in the early morning, 8 miles. Walked another 2. In afternoon, ran a fast 4.2 miles around Iron Cove, 31:20. Then walked / ran 5k with girls in afternoon. Bakery Run.
Thursday
Off
Wednesday
Walked 4 miles
Tuesday
Ran 8 to down town. Walked / jogged another 6 to Balmoral beach

Monday
Off
Monday, July 9, 2012
Week 8 in Summer Limbo-Down in Sydney
5k bakery workout with girls. Walked 2 more miles.
Saturday.
Out the door at 5:20am. Jogged / walked 5k to Ashfield Park. Met local running group, Sydney Striders. About 6:15, 6 of us (5 guys and one girl) headed out at a 8:30 pace in good cool weather.
Hilly course. At 10k, all runners except one broke off to finish the 15k loop. Dave and I continued on the 24k loop. I was kaput when we finished. I walked home another 5k.
Four the $4 contribution pre race, they had a nice snack table post run. I had a little fruit, that's all
Friday
Off
Thursday.
10 miles. Down to Iron Cove, around once and back. Slow and hilly.
Wednesday.
Off
Tuesday.
Off-Twisted ankle. But did walk 4 miles.
Monday
Off-Twisted ankle. But did walk 4 miles.
Sunday, July 8, 2012
Race Report-An Involuntary Participant
Monday, July 2, 2012
Week 7 in Summer Limbo-Down in Sydney
Off-Twisted ankle.
Saturday
18. From Concord to Opera House and back.
Friday
Jogged 4 with girls around Iron Cove, ran back to get in 7.
Thursday
Off
Wednesday
Went to Olympic park and did 3 with girls around track.
Tuesday
Walk / jog 10 through out day
Monday
Walk / jog 5k with girls around QE park. Then at night, two laps around Iron Cove and back to Concord for 11. Feeling all beat up. Hills have really taken a toll on the legs. Will need to take it easy a couple of days
Wednesday, June 27, 2012
Weekly recap
Off-swamped with work. And in Dubai Middle East
Saturday
Off-swamped with work. And in Dubai Middle East
Friday
Off-swamped with work. And in Dubai Middle East
Thursday
Off-swamped with work
Wednesday
Off-swamped with work
Tuesday
Off-swamped with work
Monday
Off-swamped with work
Weekly Recap
Saturday
Friday
Off-traveling
Thursday
Off-swapped with work.
Wednesday
Off-swapped with work.
Tuesday
Off-swapped with work.
Monday
Off-swapped with work.
Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Week 6 in Summer Limbo-No Major Races Soon
In Sydney. In morning, 10 miles down to Anzac Bridge. Really really hilly.
In afternoon, 5k around Queen Elizabeth park.
Saturday.
Traveling
Friday
Off-traveling
Thursday.
Off-packing
Wednesday.
Off
Tuesday.
Easy five around Oso parkway at night.
Monday
Quick four around Oso parkway a sunset
Tuesday, June 19, 2012
Week 5 in Summer Limbo-No Races Scheduled For A while
Meet Mike for a planned 10 miles at 5:30am. Humidity bad, soaked through at 6. Just before 7, I called it quits. Need to remember to bring extra shoes to switch out
Walked / jogged another 5 later.
Great news, treadmill seems to be working. Hope it stays fixed.
Saturday.
Met Mike, Mcalister and some others at Coffee Waves on alameda at 5:30am. Did 15.
Walked / jogged another 5 on mill at golds after lunch.
Friday
Off
Thursday.
Nine in morning (5:15 a.m.) with John and Mike. It was raining on and off. Walked / jogged another 2.5 at night with Cate.
BAD BAD news. Treadmill console not working!!!!! Hope and pray I can get it fixed ASAP.
Wednesday.
Off
Tuesday.
Fast 7 on mill after work. Jogged walked another 7 at night.
Monday
Easy five on mill
Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Week 4 in Summer Limbo-No Races Scheduled For A while
Five with 4 X 800 meter moderate hills. Walked one more.
Saturday.
Late afternoon, ran fast fast 4 on mill, walked 1 more. At night, jogged 3.
Friday
Well, something. Did slow 12 on mill, but not too bad. Walked one more.
Thursday.
Off-Out of town with work. Starting strict diet to lose 4-5 lbs before going to Australia in 2 wks
Wednesday.
Off-swamped with work.
Tuesday.
Off-Didn't get home till 8:30 from work.
Monday
Did quick three on mill, but had to quit to handle family items.
Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Week 3 in Summer Limbo-No Race Plans
Walked, mostly jogged 6 miles on mill. Did 15 mins of bike work with Juliet at Golds.
Saturday.
Fast 5 on mill in morning. Walked, mostly ran another 5 in afternoon. Ran fast 3 at night.
Friday
5 on mill
Thursday.
Finally something. Ran easy 5 on mill.
Wednesday.
Had on my running shorts and shoes. Went into the treadmill room, and then family stuff came up. Never even got to start. That's five days of no running.
Tuesday.
Off-swamped with life
Monday
Off-In a bit of a funk. Need to back on a plan
Tuesday, May 29, 2012
Week 2 in Summer Limbo-Might Do August Marathon
Sunday.
Off-Feeling beat up. Foot / ankle is bothering me. Calf has a knot. Overall, needed a bit of a break this week. Will start easy, weight reducing, mileage for next three weeks.
Saturday.
Off-Lots of family stuff to do
Friday
Met Alamar, Jeff, Jamie, and John for 5.5 miles at 5:30am. Humidity and still air bad.
I got left behind by 200 yards at end. I was literally sloshing in sweat soaked shoes after 5.
Thursday.
Off
Wednesday.
Off
Tuesday.
Ran 4 walked 1
Monday
Ran fast 5 on mill. Walked 1 more
Wednesday, May 23, 2012
Beach to Bay Marathon Relay 2012
May 19, 2012
Corpus Christi, TX
Team Name-"Keeping Up with the Joneses"
Every year I write about Beach to Bay being a crappy race. I'll recapitulate: terrible course that's open to traffic; the legs are spread out over a 26-mile point-to-point course; the 100 percent certainty that at least one team member will pull out; and saliently, the dangerously hot and humid weather conditions.
However, like every year, it's a fantastic event! Beach to Bay is the largest marathon relay in the country—almost 2,500 teams and 15,000 leg runners. Although it attracts the best runners in Texas, its greatness is that it motivates people to participate who aren't regular runners. Well, "motivate" might not be precisely accurate. Most people are coerced by a family member, friend, or co-worker who does run: "Come on—we need you! We have five team members, but we need you to be the sixth." Of course, team captains tell everyone that.
Regardless of how team members are recruited, most participants love the challenge and camaraderie that Beach to Bay provides. That's why I strongly encourage my girls to participate. My ten-year-old, Juliet, has run it twice. Cate, eight years old, was now ready. However, having them both run was going to be a logistics problem if we were on three different teams. Just getting myself to the start of a leg and then to the finish/post-event party is a pain. There was no way Jennifer and I could also simultaneously shuttle the girls through the course.
There was only one solution—a family team. If Jennifer, Juliet, Cate, and I concatenated our race legs in a series, then the girls could start and finish next to at least one parent. However, Beach to Bay is a six-runner relay. I asked John, my longtime friend and running buddy, if he and his 13-year-old daughter Caitlyn would come down from Houston and round out our family team. John and I are practically brothers in that one of us is smarter and better looking, and the other one won't admit it.
Everything was set, but then with the 100 percent certitude that occurs every year, a team member had to pull out. Jennifer had a legitimate excuse. While playing tennis, she completely ruptured the ACL in her left knee. We modified the plan so that she would become the designated driver and shuttle our team runners from leg to leg. I would run both my leg and Jennifer's.
However, I wanted to run with my girls, so I decided to also do their legs. But John and I haven't run together in a while, so I added his. Since John would also run Caitlyn's leg with her, I might as well do all six of them.
As usual, the final race logistics made the Marshall Plan seem like a pizza delivery by comparison. Though significantly more convoluted, in a nutshell, the final plan was set:
Leg #1 (3.41 miles)-Cate* and David
Leg #2 (4.67 miles)-Juliet* and David
Leg #3 (4.36 miles)-David*
Leg #4 (4.69 miles)-David* and John
Leg #5 (4.20 miles)-John* and David
Leg #6 (4.89 miles)-Caitlyn,* John, and David
*The officially designated runner carrying the race baton
The first level of crappiness began at 4:30 a.m. Everyone had to wake up so we could get to the start before it became too crowded. We arrived at the beach about an hour later. Parking was already a problem, but eventually we found a spot about half a mile from the staging area. Cate and I walked down to the start line about 15 minutes to gun, and everyone else walked Juliet to the second-leg handoff area.
The start was on a narrow road packed with 2,500 runners. Cate and I queued a 100 yards behind the line. When the 7:00 a.m. start time arrived—nothing. Five minutes passed, then ten, followed by 15. We heard later that a shuttle bus was delayed. Again, this race is a logistics pain in the butt. But finally the horn sounded and Cate and I started to run.
Well, "run" might not be precisely accurate because that's when the second level of crappiness began. Of the 15,000 participants, only about 1,000 are what you would consider runners. The others try their best, which means shuffling along at slightly faster than a walking pace. Cate has learned that you have to politely, but assertively, ask other runners to let you by. However, the course was also packed with people not only walking, but unable to hear us because they were literally browsing their iPhone music selections. When my girls get blocked in by one of these "runners," I unapologetically stiff arm them out of the way.
The crappiness increased when Cate and I turned onto the beach. There is no delineated course path, and runners have to fend for themselves to find a section that's not mushy soft or covered in seaweed. As Cate and I made our way to the turnaround, we were running a bit of a zigzag. We would see a narrow section of packed sand next to the water and run down. Two thousand other runners would do the same and create a jam. Cate and I would head back toward the dunes to find a runnable section, but eventually a herd would converge again. After 15 minutes of back and forth, I told Cate, "Forget about time. Just find a rhythm." The rhythm ending up being 12:30 minutes/mile due to the awful conditions.
However, there was one fun aspect of the first leg. Cate, being only eight, is a Beach to Bay rarity. I'll bet there were less than half a dozen girls her age in the whole event. But with a mile to go, she was passing adults left and right. As we came up behind them, I would call out, "Wow, Cate—you're doing great. Look, you're passing this man," or "Awesome, Cate, you're just in second grade and you're gonna beat these women." Actually, most runners appreciate her effort and offer encouragement rather than take offense.
Cate's pace was much slower than her usual effort, but she didn't walk once the entire 3.4 miles. We reached the second-leg handoff area where John, Caitlyn, and Jennifer were waiting with Juliet. They gave Cate an enthusiastic cheer.
Juliet grabbed the baton and was off. Her running has improved this year and she is a solid sub-10:00 minutes/mile runner. Since we reached her chute surrounded by slower runners, she began moving up through the pack fast. Almost immediately I tried to slow her down because I knew the fourth level of crappiness was about to begin.
I understand that at least one lane of traffic must be open. You can't close down all of Padre Island; however, the one auto lane becomes traffic jammed. The runners have to breathe the exhaust-polluted air. Additionally, the heat is intensified by the hundreds of cars creeping along just five feet from the runners' lane. Two and a half miles in, I could see Juliet was overheating. It was now 9:30, and the sun was beating down and there was a total lack of breeze. We were running north-west with a very light and undetectable south-east wind at our backs.
I told Juliet that it was perfectly fine to stop and walk until she caught her breath. Two years ago I ran the same leg for a Fleet Feet competitive team, and I still had to stop and catch my breath twice. However, Juliet was determined to stay with it. I started to become concerned she might experience the greatest level of race crappiness, heat stroke. It's a real danger; even elite runners have blacked out on this course. Juliet finally pulled up, and I handed her the water bottle I was carrying.
She then impressed me with her course awareness. She looked up and said, "Let's run to that second light pole down the road." Once there we walked for a minute and then she picked another mark, saying, "Let's make it to that big white sign." For the next two miles she mostly ran, but occasionally walked, until we reached the bridge. With a final push, we ran under the bridge and into the chute. Juliet finished with a solid 10:30 minutes/mile average pace. She handed me the baton, but before I could start the third leg, we had to deal with the final logistics problem—getting Juliet back to Jennifer.
We originally planned for Jennifer to park underneath the bridge. However, at packet pickup, a race official was highly critical of the idea. "If there's a traffic problem near the bridge, you could be stuck for hours. It's best to use a shuttle bus." We changed our plans, and instead Jennifer waited at the bus return depot. I walked Juliet over to the queue where other runners were waiting for the buses to return. The problem was we didn't know if it would be five minutes or 20. Juliet said she would be all right, so I handed her my iPhone to keep in contact with Jennifer and then asked two other runners to help her on the shuttle. I started the third leg.
The leg was uneventful. I ran over the bridge and reached the first mile on a 7:40 minutes/min pace. I settled into a comfortable stride knowing I had 18 miles remaining. My mile splits didn't deviate more than a second the entire leg. However, one thought did concern me—Caitlyn. The heat was already terrible and the sun was intense. It would be another hour and a half before Caitlyn would start our final leg. I was concerned about dangerous running conditions.
Jennifer had already dropped John off at the fourth leg, and he was waiting for me as I came through the chute. I ran straight through and he joined in stride with me. However, our plan fell apart almost immediately due to a communication mishap. The week before, I told John that I would run an 8:15 pace through the base and then hand off to him at the start of leg five just outside the north access gate. Since he would be fresher than I would be at that point, he could pick up the pace to get to Caitlyn faster. This worked for John since he was going to run a half dozen 1,200 meter repeats two days before the race. This was his first taper day in preparation for a full marathon he's doing next week. He agreed to cruise a steady pace with me through the naval base.
The night before the race, we confirmed the plans, but then John said, "I'll run with you for a couple of miles and then you can hand off to me. I'll pick it up through the base so we can get it to Caitlyn as fast as possible." His suggestion had nothing to do with our team time. He just wanted to get Caitlyn off the course before the midday heat. So as we began the fourth leg, I assumed the plan was to push as fast as we could. I dropped the pace to 7:15 minutes/miles and lengthened my stride.
About a mile into the base, John was ten yards behind me. I again eased back to a 7:40 minutes/mile pace. He stayed right behind me. The heat was wearing on me and I looked straight ahead, trying to remain focused. When I finally reached the leg five chute, I stopped and turned to give the baton to John, but he wasn't there. I had unknowingly pulled away, and he was a quarter mile back. Two minutes later he came into the handoff area, and I reached forward to hand him the baton. He said, "You'll have to carry it. Go! I'll catch up to ya'll later."
I immediately started toward the sixth leg. About a mile from the base, I started to fall apart. I had gone the last six miles without any water, assuming John would be pushing through the fifth leg. I pulled up for a minute to cool down. I ran another mile, then walked a minute. I did this two more times before reaching Jennifer and Caitlyn, who were waiting at the final handoff point. I came into the chute. "John? Where's John?" Jennifer asked. I told them he said to start running and he would catch us. Unfortunately, I didn't have much running left in me. I was badly dehydrated. Jennifer said, "You look awful! Do you want to quit here?"
I looked at Caitlyn and said, "Let's run for a mile and see how it goes from there." She didn't flinch and replied, "Let's go." We fell into stride and ran a solid first mile, but I just couldn't breathe. Caitlyn was also overheated, and we both stopped and walked. The next four miles were tough. Neither of us was able to run more than a quarter to half a mile without pulling up. Nevertheless, Caitlyn stayed positive the entire leg and didn't once think of quitting. She endured the course quarter mile by quarter mile for an hour. With a mile remaining, we heard, "Caitlyn! David!" John had caught us. The timing was perfect. Over the last quarter mile, John and Caitlyn joined hands and ran to the finish as hundreds of spectators cheered for them.
Our team finished in a clock time of 4:27:01, placing us 715 out of 2,455 teams.
Well, the race was total crap! Terrible course, awful logistics, and dangerously hot weather. However, everyone on our team did a super job individually, and as a team we placed in the top 30 percent. WHAT A GREAT EVENT!
Tuesday, May 22, 2012
Week 1 in Summer Limbo-Might Do August Marathon
Did a 25k in S.A. with Mike, Robert, Clay, and Von.
Von-2nd overall 1st Masters, 6:45 pace;
Clay 2nd Senior Masters 7:46 pace;
Me-3rd place Master 7:42 pace-Overall, 10th out of 55
My 5k-splits were fairly consistent
Lap 1-23:12
Lap 2-23:37
Lap 3-24:08
Lap 4-24:09
Lap 5-24:33

Saturday.
Easy 5, walked 1 more.
Friday
Ran two on mill, and called it quits. Bought bottle of jack and got drunk.
Thursday.
Met John and Robert for 4 at 6:00 am. They had done 3 already, and we went out for another 4 mile loop. I wanted to run at night, but work, children, and stuff came up.
Wednesday.
Met Alamar for 6 at 5:30. Good 7:48 pace despite high humidity.
Walked / jogged another 5 at night on mill.
Tuesday.
Met John and Robert for 6 at 5:45. Walked one more. Walked , mostly jogged, another 4 on mill late night.
Monday
Off
Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Week 7 in Limbo-Beach to Bay Week
Saturday
Beach To Bay
Friday
Off-Taper
Thursday
Off-Taper
Wednesday
Met mike at 5:45am for easy 6. Walked one more. Jogged another 4.00 at night on the mill
Tuesday
Off-wanted to get in some miles, but work / family, etc.
Monday
Five on mill after work. Walked / jogged another 5
Friday, May 11, 2012
Grand Canyon
"Tomorrow is the double crossing. 48 miles, 10,000 feet of elevation gain."
Tuesday, May 8, 2012
Week 6 in Limbo-No Race Schedule, Except Beach to Bay
Sunday.
Downtown at Coffee Waves at 5:30 am. Couple 3 miles loops with Alamar, Jamie, Robert, and Randy. Then at 6:30, a few other runners came, and out and back down Ocean Dr for another 6. Easy 8:30 pace.
Saturday.
Fast 8 on the mill
Friday
Met Jamie, John, and Alamar for 6 at 5:30. Walked 1 more. Jamie had a foot stress, turned off the path at four.
Thursday.
After work, 7 slow, low, and slow. But burned some calories
Wednesday.
Off-too busy with stuff
Tuesday.
Off-wanted to get in some miles, but worked late
Monday
7 on mill, walk one more. Cheated on diet a little as someone brought cupcakes to work. I had 4, or was it 5.
Tuesday, May 1, 2012
Week 5 in Limbo-No Race Schedule, Except Beach to Bay
Sunday.
On mill, fast 18. With all the flab I'm carrying, not fun. But aerobics good. Time to taper. Walk / jog another 6 at night.
Saturday.
5k with girls in am, ran 6 on mill later in day. Walked 1 more.
Friday
Off-wanted to get in 15-18 but with work and family, no can do. Will try for 18 Sunday morning, and then really diet 10 days before carbing for beach to bay.
Thursday.
Met John at 5:30 for 3 warmup. Was sweated through when finished doing 8:15 miles as humidity was 93%. Waited at conner store for 5 minutes, but Mike didn't show, so John and I ran another 3. Again, completely soaked and sloshing in shoes when finsihed.
Wednesday.
4 on mill after work.
Tuesday.
Met John for 6 at 5:00. Humidity really bad. had to stop three times, for only 10 seconds, to catch my breath.
Monday
On mill, 4 in the early morning, and 4 more in evening. Walked one more.
Sunday, April 22, 2012
Week 4 in Limbo-No Race Schedule, Except Beach to Bay
Off
Saturday.
Off
Friday
Met Jamie and John for 6, walked 1 more
Thursday.
Met Mike for easy 6, walked 1 more.
Wednesday.
Off
Tuesday.
4 in morning, walked two more. Ran good 6 at night on mill at night.
Monday
Met mike for 6 at 6:00am. Ran some small 2:00 min intervals. walked one more.
At night, 4more on mill, walked one more
Wednesday, April 18, 2012
Week 3 in Limbo-No Race Schedule, Except Beach to Bay
Met Mike at 6:00am for easy 10, last cool weather for probably 5-6 months Later in afternoon, 4 on mill with speed strides, walked 1 more.
Saturday
Fast 4 on mill in early afternoon. Easy 3 on mill late afternoon
Friday
6 on mill with some speed strides
Thursday
Ran easy six with Mike.
Wednesday
Off
Tuesday
Ran a couple from 5:10-5:30, then met mike and John for 6 at 5:30. Pretty strong pace. I got left behind but made it up toward end. Walked 1.0 more.
Monday
Off
Monday, April 9, 2012
Week 2 in Limbo-No Race Schedule, Except Beach to Bay
Up at 4:30 am, downtown Coffee Waves at 5:00 to meet Jamie, Jeff, and Robert for 12-15.
Jamie stuck at work due to heavy wind power out. Jeff texted he'd be there at 5:30, but didn't show. No word from Bob. At 5:40, I went back home and back to bed.
Saturday
Off-busy with work
Friday
Did 3 miles from 5:00-5:30 am. Crew was to show up at 5:30 for 7 more. Nobody came. As I had a stomach ache, I called it a day
Thursday
Met Mike for 6 at 5:30. Walked one more. Need to get serious on diet
Wednesday
Off
Tuesday
Ran 5 in the am, then met mike at 6:00 am for another 5.
Monday
Off
Friday, April 6, 2012
Thursday, April 5, 2012
Week 1 in Limbo-No Race Schedule, Except Beach to Bay
Met Jamie at CW at 5:00 am for 17. Clay joined in last 8.
Saturday
Arise and Shine 5k with girls. Juliet solid run, Cate -1st in 8 and under division
Ran 4 more on mill when we got home.
Friday
Slow 6 with Mike in the early a.m.
Thursday
7 miles in the early am with crew
Wednesday
Did 5 from 5:15-6:00. Then met morning crew for another 5. Soaked in sweat post run. Sloshing in shoes.
Tuesday
Off
Monday
Off
Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Marathon #21-The I RAN Marathon--San Antonio
Monday, March 26, 2012
Weekly Recap-Race Week San Antonio IRAN Marathon
Off
Saturday
San Antonio Iran Marathon
Friday
Off
Thursday
Off
Wednesday
Off
Tuesday
Met Mike for 6 at 6:00. Six more after work along Oso parkway.
Monday
Did 4 at 5:30-6:00, then Met Mike at 6:00 for another 6:00.
Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Fwd: Runners
From: Mueller, David
Dave,
I ran into a mutual acquaintance who had seen you lately. He said you looked much different & wondered if you were ill. I told him, "Dave's not ill, in fact it's much worse, he's become a runner".
Monday, March 19, 2012
Weekly Recap-2 Weeks Until San Antonio
Off
Saturday
5k with girls in am, ran 4 more on mill when I came home.
Friday
Met Mike for easy 6 at 5:30 am. Walked one more.
Thursday
Easy 4 in am
Wednesday
18 road miles on early a.m.
Tuesday
Off
Monday
Met mike for easy 6 at 5:30. Jogged three more in evening. Walked 2 more
Monday, March 12, 2012
Weekly Recap-3 Weeks Until San Antonio
Met crew downtown at 5:30am for 13.
Saturday
Solid fast 10 on mill
Friday
Some light exercising with Jules at Golds.
Thursday
Off-out of town.
Wednesday
Off-out of town.
Tuesday
Off-out of town.
Monday
7 on mill during lunch.
Monday, March 5, 2012
Weekly Recap-4 Weeks Until San Antonio
Fast 6 on mill, walked jogged another 3.
Saturday
Off
Friday
10 on mill at golds in an. 4 on mill at home in pm
Thursday
Off
Wednesday
Met Jamie and John for 6 miles of VOmax work at King. Walked / jogged another 3.
Tuesday
Off
Monday
Met Jaimie for 10 at 5:30, got in another 2 walk run throughout day.
Thursday, March 1, 2012
Weekly Recap-5 Weeks Until San Antonio
Saturday
5k with girls in morning. Ran another 5 fast on mill when I got home. Walked / jogged another 5 throughout day.
Friday
Met Jamie at 5:00 for 10 at natatorium.
Thursday..
Off
Wednesday.
Jogged 5 throughout day.
Tuesday.
Off
Monday
Off
Monday, February 20, 2012
Weekly Recap-6 Weeks Until San Antonio
Met Jamie and Robert for 12 downtown (4 loops of 3.1 miles). Not bad, sub 8:00s, but a humid. Also felt little decarbed after 6 last night.
Saturday
Six on mill at night, walked one more
Friday
Light 2.5 miles and a little bike with Juliet at Golds.
Thursday
Off
Wednesday
Met Jeff and Jamie for 10. Humid but nice 8:20 pace. Need to lose some fat.
Walk / jog another five throughout day.
Tuesday
Off
Monday
Off
Friday, February 17, 2012
Week 1 in Limbo-No Race Schedule, Except Beach to Bay
Walk / jog 4
Saturday
5k with girls in am. Jogged two more after getting home
Friday
It hurt, in the chest, but did 4 during lunch, walked more. Helped cough some of the gunk up.
Walked / jogged 3 at night.
Thursday
Off-Still sick and eating like a pig
Wednesday
Off-Still sick and eating like a pig
Tuesday
Off-Still sick and eating like a pig
Monday
Off-Still sick and eating like a pig
Monday, February 13, 2012
The Woodlands Marathon-Out
Hope to find a early June marathon somewhere.
Friday, February 10, 2012
Weekly Recap-4 Weeks Until The Woodlands Marathon
Off
Saturday
Met Robert M and John M for easy 8 at 5:30am. Cool weather and good conversation. Nice run.
Did a two miler with girls at cupid chase run in the morning.
Friday
Off
Thursday
Met mike four easy 4 miles at 6:00.
Wednesday
solid 6 on mill during lunch. Walked one more.
At night, jogged 2 walked 2
Tuesday
Off
Monday
Off
Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Marathon #20-Galveston Mardi Gras Marathon
Galveston, TX
February 5, 2012
He wore running shorts. He had a marathoner's build. But man!—he also had this strange and aloof countenance about him. His dark scraggly beard was a good foot in length, and he was conspicuously standing alone on a raised platform next to the starting chute. Given the weather conditions, I began to suspect his name might be Noah. It had been raining nonstop since midnight. The streets were soaked and puddled. The forecast called for more rain all day.
The showers did temporarily abate about 15 minutes before the gun. The rain doesn't bother me, and I actually appreciate the cooling it provides. I was concerned about the two negative consequences—waterlogged shoes and wind. The general rule is each ounce of shoe weight adds about a minute to a marathon final time. I figured my shoes would soak up about a quarter to a third of a pound.
Then there was the wind. About 50 percent of the two-looped course runs along the Galveston seawall, with very little infrastructure to block the blowing 20+ mph north wind. Another 25 percent is along a beach access road where the gusts can really add resistance against your stride.
About five minutes to gun, I removed my sweat top and stood shirtless about ten feet behind the start. I heard a couple of runners derisively chuckle behind me, as many runners were wearing full winter gear (beanies, gloves, etc.). However, the temperature was only 55 degrees, which was cool in the direct wind, but not really cold. Additionally, waterlogged shoes would be enough; I didn't also need a soaked shirt, hat, and gloves.
Two minutes to gun, an affable-looking younger runner to my left congenially asked, "What time are you goin' for?" I slowly tilted my head left to right a couple of times to communicate a fleeting confidence, "Well, I would like 3:10, but given the weather, I'm think'n something probably around 3:15." I figured he was looking for someone to pace with so I reciprocated, "How 'bout you?" When he nonchalantly said, "2:45," admiringly I responded, "Wow! Well, that should be enough to win." He then humbly and encouragingly said, "Well, you never know who's gonna show up. Anyway, you're really just running against yourself."
The gun fired and we were off. A dozen half-marathoners took the lead, pulling me along. After a quarter mile, we turned left and headed due east to the seawall. About a half mile later, a group of five or six behind me slowly started to pass. Their leader was the official 3:00 pacer, but his pack was all half-marathoners shooting for 1:30. Relative to my stride, their pace intensity seemed to be just nominally faster, so I tagged along. Just before reaching the seawall, I saw my longtime friend and running buddy John.
He had driven down from North Houston with his daughter Caitlyn to give me a two-person cheering section, which is two people more than all the other spectators along the course this day. The bad weather, combined with Super Bowl Sunday, was enough to keep all sane people indoors. Even if a marathon is very well organized with great volunteer support, many runners will rate it badly if there isn't a large spectator turnout. I feel the opposite; sure, crowd support is nice in dispersed pockets, but constant yelling is distracting, especially when it's the jeering, "You're almost there!" every half mile. I prefer to zone out and STHUAJR (see previous race report, or text John for advice).
Proudly wearing his A & M sweat top and holding an umbrella in one hand, John stretched forward with the other to give me five and called out, "You lucked out on the temperature." Reaching the seawall, I turned due south with the 3:00 pack, pushed along with the wind at our backs. Again, their pace was just a nick quicker than my natural stride, but I had to let them pull away. It wasn't the marginal effort, but the duration. It's analogous to picking up a light two- or three-pound weight and holding it out at arm's length. Initially it would take just a minimal effort, but keeping it there for three solid hours would be a Herculean task.
At mile four we turned right to make the one-mile square loop through a residential neighborhood before starting the six-mile upwind section along the seawall. Except for passing (or being passed) by the occasional half-marathoner, I was now completely alone. I settled into a rhythmic stride, leaned back, gazed up high above the horizon, and zoned out.
About ten minutes later, the course turned due north and the real work began. I would prefer to run uphill than against the wind. At least a long hill climb is a constant resistance. With frequent and unpredictable gusts of a strong wind, often from slightly different angles, you are also swayed a bit off-center. It's just enough to affect your striding rhythm, whether it's from upwind, crosswind, or even downwind gusts.
Passing the same point as mile one (but now mile five in the opposite direction), John called out from the other side of the street, "You're in ninth!" Ninth was the overall position that I finished in this event last year, and I squeaked in with a third-place award in my age division. Today, however, by the time I reached the beach access section at mile seven, though physically feeling good, mentally I was ready to fall into a warm cushy bed.
My shoes and socks were soaked through, and the strong wind now had little drops of rain beating against my face and body. Then a total shock—the 3:10 pacer pulled up to my side, and it was Noah! He only had one runner with him, for whom Noah was graciously blocking the wind. Given his motif, I thought he would be leading two runners, one male and one female. Since he already had the male, and Texas doesn't recognize civil unions, I let them go.
Finishing the first lap, I was curious to see my time. I had yet to look at my wristwatch. Fortunately, my 1:36 split was about what I had figured, and I firmly believed I could hold the pace another lap. Now that the faster half-marathoners were finished, I was really running solo. There wasn't another runner within a quarter mile of me.
Headed due east toward the seawall for a second time, I again saw John. However, this time he was running toward me excitedly calling out, "Come on! Come on! The 3:10 pacer is right in front of you—you can catch him! Come on! You're in seventh overall!" John ran next to me for 50 yards encouraging me to pick it up. Aerobically I felt great, but said, "Hey, I feel good, but the wind—Man, the wind is bad."
From mile 14 to 16, I tried to appreciate the two-mile downwind push before having to fight the six-mile upwind stretch to the beach for a second time. That's when I saw that affable youngster (well, early 30s). He was all alone in the lead, with literally not another runner within a mile. Passing in the opposite direction, I yelled out, "Yeah, buddy, looking good!" He went on to win in a 2:46, a full 20 minutes ahead of second place.
Reaching mile 18, John, who was now faithfully standing in a steady drizzle with Caitlyn at his side, yelled out, "Fifth! You're in fifth overall." That was a surprise since I had no recollection of passing any other runners. At mile 19, John and Caitlyn pulled up alongside in his car with the window down a bit, but not enough for me to jump through. He yelled, "Hey, that long-bearded guy dropped out!" That was encouraging as I knew it meant the rain was probably about to stop. I increased my arm swing and lengthened my stride.
I really felt that I was holding a 3:12 to 3:13 pace and felt good; in actuality, I had slowed down by 20 seconds a mile. It was just that most of the other runners had slowed as well. Later at the post-race event, most runners agreed that the upwind section was hard the first time, but just too much the second.
At mile 22, my waterlogged shoes took effect. My quads were burning not only from the extra weight, but the hard heel strikes. Normally, a shoe's air-filled foam provides a springy cushion with each stride, but as liquids are non-compressible, each shoe strike forward felt like running with wood blocks strapped to my feet.
Then at mile 24, another shock—a competitor came up from behind. I had been running solo for about an hour and almost forgot I was in a race. My legs were hurting too much to challenge him. "Go get 'em! Finish strong!" I encouraged. Then again at mile 25, another runner caught me. I could tell he was about ten years younger and not in my age division, so I decided to let him pass unchallenged. However, when he pulled about 25 yards ahead of me, he slowed his pace a nick. With a half mile remaining, I made a move to catch him. My quads were really burning, but I closed the gap to about ten yards. He then made his move and pulled away.
I crossed the finish in 3:19:05, placing seventh overall out of 156 full-marathon finishers, and second in my age division.
I e-mailed the race director the next day, "In spite of the weather, another great race! You guys put on a high-quality event. Great organization, great volunteer support, and great little post-race gathering."
They really do a fantastic job. There's a heap of free pizza, breakfast tacos, sweets, and drinks. The awards are large, quality-made plaques. Packet pickup is a snap at the local running store. The course is pancake flat and fast. 3:19 is not my fastest, but in those weather conditions, solid.
I don't know why more runners don't do the full marathon. My guess is the Galveston Marathon is only two to three weeks after Houston and two to three weeks before Austin. Most probably only do the half as a pre-Austin final workout or a post-Houston new cycle run.
Great day! Loved it, and will sign up again next year.
Special thanks to John and Caitlyn for the support!